Andrew Gao, Cognition Labs AI builder, argues non-coders rarely hit Claude rate limits due to lower token consumption

@itsandrewgao Yeah I hit the limit on Claude with economics/philosophy stuff regularly

Codex outside of code have never hit a limit

@itsandrewgao non-coders hit limits too context is king

@itsandrewgao I just did with a non-coding task. Still highly technically demanding.

@itsandrewgao It's pretty easy to hit limits if you are doing iterated literature search

@itsandrewgao I find I hit limits a lot faster doing strategy, knowledge work, research etc, because my workflow is so much more optimized for coding with subagents, repo mapping stuff, ast-based search tools etc

@Hiraweb3 sorry I should be more clear - I meant rate limits / quota limits

@itsandrewgao They don't. Sam even said they lose money on power users. They make money only on those who don't hit limits.

@itsandrewgao Analysis eats like crazy. Had a couple things where I needed 1000s of reports analysed, eats through usage much faster than coding.

@itsandrewgao You could argue that it is all code - or, it is all tokens.

@itsandrewgao Yep

@itsandrewgao I run into limits with both every 5 hours, yes :)

@itsandrewgao in periods i dont code i tend to hit limits even faster because im parsing through documents and do research which eats up the context

@itsandrewgao Yes. On the smaller subscriptions regularly when working with MCPs and APIs.

@itsandrewgao That's a great point! I've noticed coding can definitely rack up token usage quickly compared to other tasks.

I'm confused if you're using codex and not coding, what the fuck are you even doing with it?

if you mean chatgpt, I mean ideally no, but there are ratelimits and abuse guardrails that stop you from hammering pro models all day.

openai has not yet moved to a "shared usage across all platforms" model like anthropic or google

@itsandrewgao Basic chat does not Anything agentic, yes.

@itsandrewgao Nope. Text work is more intensive. Working on something with three novel-sized books for context. Only Fable has kept a good grip on the interrelationships. But getting on point output is a credit bin fire.

@itsandrewgao i'm 20 dollar plans on both for years. i hit rate limits weekly but then i go outside or some shit unless i really have to finish. (I used to hit them daily when i was being far too verbose and not actually doing my job)

@itsandrewgao Obviously agents will hit limits significantly faster but I hit limits just chatting with it. lol

@itsandrewgao my kid plays around building mods and in-between pasting screenshots and what not, well... he is "coding" in the end, and hitting limits!